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 harrytru.absolutewrite |
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Posts: 2988 07/01/09 01:11:11 |
Just because people voted for things doesn't make them right...things change, people who change with the times usually have learned something...human
rights might be one of those things, these are economic times and they have changed...
evolve, harrytru |
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irenewhite.thesonsworshipp... |
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Posts: 1 07/01/09 02:01:50 |
BlessedNRA wrote: lol nice one!! 
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AmericanBadOZ |
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Posts: 2963 07/02/09 09:19:11 |
Excellent recipe, Irene.
The only problem is you are forced to use an 8-inch pie pan by law [ie: Prop 13], when a 12-inch square pan is needed. So, no matter how good the recipe, if the chef is hamstrung by having the proper tools taken away [ie: the ability to raise money in a crisis], then the results will be a debacle. No wonder it was Proposition Unlucky 13.
Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
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BlessedNRA |
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Posts: 1345 07/02/09 09:43:02 |
AmericanBadOZ wrote: don't have a bigger pan? Remove three more cups of the social programs. Unlucky 13? Unlucky for whom? Certainly not California property owners, only left wing welfare plantation owners. ""How you gonna keep'em, down on the (government) farm?"" |
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harrytru.absolutewrite |
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Posts: 2988 07/02/09 23:18:48 |
Oh gun-nut, you is really smart...
sometimes ya gotta just consider the source and laugh at the posts, this is one of those times, harrytru |
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AmericanBadOZ |
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Posts: 2963 07/04/09 13:07:10 |
Here's another problem Californicators brought on themselves:
Proposition 13 further altered California politics by requiring a two-thirds majority for tax increases either at the state or local level. This requirement along with a constitutional provision requiring a two-thirds majority to pass a budget - the result of a proposition passed in 1933 - means it is far more difficult to raise taxes or pass a budget in California than in other states. For more than 30 years California has been living with a system of minority rule in which 34% of the legislature or a local community can stonewall the majority. Facing this post-Proposition 13 system, California's various interest groups have increasingly used the ballot box to protect themselves - but by so doing have mandated budgetary havoc. For example, pre-Proposition 13, California public schools were among the finest in the nation. After Proposition 13, education spending per pupil dropped to 48th in the nation. The state's educators and parents then rallied behind Proposition 98, which by a complex formula apportions roughly 40% of the state budget to K-14 education. In the past three decades, other special interests have authored - and voters have passed - numerous ballot measures dictating that millions in state funds go to various pet causes. Many of these measures, including a preschool initiative sponsored by Schwarzenegger in 2002, mandate a program but fail to provide a source of funding. Each proposal alone might have merit, but collectively these ballot measures have locked most of California's budget in place. "Gradually, the voters' piecemeal decisions have bound the legislature in a straightjacket," says Thad Kousser, a professor of political science at UC San Diego. By tying the hands of legislators with Prop 13 and other propositions, the government was doomed to fail when times get tough. Source: TIME
Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
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BlessedNRA |
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Posts: 1345 07/04/09 14:14:09 |
AmericanBadOZ wrote: |
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Posts: 2963 07/04/09 14:18:14 |
So you are in favour of sabotaging Caleefornia's economy, and the entire US
economy, to prove a political point?
BTW, any reports on how the Caleefornia teabagging went yesterday? Were the teabaggers hiding in their basements now that the fruits of selfish tax cutting are apparent there? Or were they brave enough to risk anti-teabagger pogroms, and actually went through with it?
Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
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BlessedNRA |
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Posts: 1345 07/04/09 17:49:15 |
AmericanBadOZ wrote: Liberals created the catastrophe in california and they are creating one for the entire country as well. wishing them to fail represents salvation for both. Removing all liberals from power and frankly from the planet would be a good thing. |
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whulge |
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Posts: 1275 07/04/09 17:56:37 |
Removing all liberals from power and frankly from the planet would be a good thing.
Then who would humiliate you? I mean, besides yourself? |
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BlessedNRA |
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Posts: 1345 07/04/09 18:32:13 |
whulge wrote: I have not been humiliated in the eyes of those who count since I, well, I can't remember when. Of which falsehood do you speak oh clever one? hehehehe |
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Posts: 1275 07/04/09 19:47:42 |
I have not been humiliated in the eyes of those who count since I, well, I can't remember when.
FYI: Just because you don't know you're an idiot doesn't mean you aren't one. Of which falsehood do you speak oh clever one? hehehehe Where did I mention a falsehood? Is this more of the memory problem you mentioned? I believe you're being absolutely sincere when you say liberals should be killed. I appreciate the honesty and thank you for it a lot- remember? Keep up the good work. |
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AmericanBadOZ |
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Posts: 2963 07/04/09 23:46:08 |
Liberals created the catastrophe in california and they are creating one for the entire country as well.
Oh, now Jarvitz was a liberal? I guess historical fiction is big in conservative circles right now. It has to be, as real history is oh so depressing to them.
Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
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 Scoundrel.peoplespoliticsiii |
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Posts: 4752 07/04/09 23:49:04 |
hey, what the hell is wrong with trying to spend less money instead of paying for programs like sex change surgeries. What the hell is wrong with you ignorant
liberals. If the constitution says you cannot raise taxes then all you can do is lower your spending. Is this too hard for you idiots or what. Lower your
pherking spending. Cut the government jobs and destroy the unions in cali and all problems are solved you idiots.
Scoundrel Says," |
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AmericanBadOZ |
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Posts: 2963 07/05/09 00:27:05 |
By the same token, what's wrong with increasing taxation in a fiscal crisis when
the state is bankrupt?
If conservatives had it their way, taxes would be cut to 0%, which would simultaneously do 2 things, according to the Gospel of Laffer: increase revenue in a fish & loaves miracle [due to the Madoffesque Laffer curve] AND, simultaneously require lower spending. Now, anyone can see that both those things cannot simultaneously happen. Lowering taxes lowers revenue. Period. So the real goal is to force lower spending, all the while lying that the cuts will somehow open a flood of Madoff money.
Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
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Scoundrel.peoplespoliticsiii |
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Posts: 4752 07/05/09 01:31:07 |
By the same token, what's wrong with increasing taxation in a fiscal crisis when the state is bankrupt?
How the hell can they pay taxes. They are losing thier jobs, they are losing their homes and they are losing their cars. WHat the hell are they going to pay taxes with. Are you really this stupid? Stop raising taxes on people that are already paying over 60% of thier income on taxes and fees. Lowering taxes lowers revenue. Period Bullshit. Bush lowered taxes 3 times and tax revenues went up to their highest in US history. Sell that BS to someone stupid enough to beleive it. Its not revenues that are the problem. No one has any money left. Scoundrel Says," |
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Starbird |
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Posts: 209 07/05/09 20:46:11 |
Lowering taxes increases review? Ok, let's crunch some numbers here. I'm going to use the sales tax rate that we pay here in Napa which is 7 3/4 %. So then someone buys $100 of merchandise. The amount of tax is $7.75. Know if you reduce the tax rate (good but) to 4% the tax paid on $100 is $4. That is a loss of $3.75. For a person to get back up to the tax payment of $7.75 she/he would have to spend $193.75. Now at today's prices for goods no one wants to spend that much. So how lowering the tax rate increase revenue is not shown here. While a lower tax rate is good there is draw backs which I've just show on this small scale. Something else that has not from what I've read here is that about 70% of the budget for California is locked by voters over the years and as such cannot be reduced very easily. And remember for we are talking about Millions of dollars for a state and Billons of dollars for the feds. So who would be wiling to reduce spending? The republicans are not going to allow a spending cut to the military. The Democrats are not going to allow a spending cut to those social programs that help the poor. So how would this work in the end? |
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scoobapadi.peoplespoliticsiii |
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Posts: 35 07/05/09 21:03:23 |
The secret is to spend less than you make. California spends more than the citizens can pay in taxes. Consider the cost of immigrants:
1. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens. 2. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens. 3. Over 2/3 of all births in LA County are to illegal aliens on Medi-Cal, whose births are paid for by taxpayers. 4. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. 5. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages. 6. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border. 7. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal aliens. 8. Over 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens. 9. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. 10. Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. (All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times) Over 70% of the US ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , and Florida ) results from immigration. Other social programs grow at rates exceeding the ability of the citizens to keep up with are driving many of the wealthiest (and largest contributors) to other states making the burden eaven heavier for those who can't afford to leave. IMO |
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BlessedNRA |
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Posts: 1345 07/06/09 14:06:08 |
So who is going to suffer the most due to California's bankruptcy? Will it be the illegal immigrants, state employees, the legal immigrants, the low to
middle income workers, the wealthy, the politicians? You tell me. I believe those hurt the most will be the low to middle income workers to be hurt the most,
especially those who live in the inner cities and suburbs. Loss of infrastructure repair, loss of some of the services already provided, dwindling schools,
roads, police,fire and property values, increases in crime, and costs. Plus, this group are unable to move or escape the declining living environment.
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Posts: 1689 07/06/09 15:03:09 |
income tax
~But, in a larger sense, these brave men, living and dead, who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract.~
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you bunch of liberal 
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